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не вижу потока желающих туда переехать

ЕС это союз европейских развитых стран с хорошим жизненным уровнем куда стремятся перехать не толко из слаборазвитых латинских Америк , но и множество русскоподданных, но с этим проблема , европейцы не не согласны

‘The west doesn’t want Russians partying in the streets of Europe’: calls grow for a visa ban
As EU politicians debate a ban from the beaches, Russian exiles fear a return to Soviet-style isolation will be dangerous for them

• Andrew Roth in Moscow and Pjotr Sauer

Sat 13 Aug 2022 11.36 EDT

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housands of Russians have flocked to Europe on short-term visas since the country invaded Ukraine. Some sought an escape from repression, while summer has brought Russian tourists just looking to escape to the beach. Now some European politicians are calling for an end to the short-term visas that allow Russians to holiday in the EU as the war in Ukraine rages on.
Countries including Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Finland and the Czech Republic have called for the EU to limit or block short-term Schengen visas for Russians, in protest at their country’s invasion of Ukraine.

After six months of war, the proposal echoes widespread frustration with a Russian public that seems either unable or unwilling to mount a meaningful resistance to the war being waged in their name. The situation has been aggravated by high-profile incidents including a Russian woman harassing two Ukrainian refugees in Europe.
“Stop issuing tourist visas to Russians,” Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas wrote on Twitter last week. “Visiting #Europe is a privilege, not a human right.”
But German chancellor Olaf Scholz rejected the call, saying a blanket ban on visas for Russians was “hard to imagine”. EU foreign ministers are expected to discuss the measure at an informal meeting this month, although universal approval from the bloc’s 27 members would be needed.

Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas led calls for a ban on tourist visas for Russians. Photograph: Emmanuel Dunand/AFP/Getty Images
The proposal has also set off a heated debate among Russians – including vocal opponents of the war, often living in exile in Europe – about how a visa ban could mark a step toward isolation reminiscent of the Soviet period.

“I don’t see anything good in forbidding Russians from Europe because they need to see a free world,” said Ilya Krasilshchik, a Russian online publisher who has been threatened with prosecution in Russia for opposing the war and is currently in Europe.

While he thought a visa ban was unlikely to pass, he said issues with opening bank accounts in Europe had made it difficult for dissidents to operate in exile. Instead he would want heightened scrutiny to weed out Russians with pro-war views. “And as to the idea that if Russians can’t leave the country, they’ll rise up and overthrow the regime, it’s a total lie ... The experience of the Soviet Union shows that closing borders doesn’t lead to overthrow of the regime. I understand the anger of the moment, but I think in the long term it is dangerous.”
Many Russians approached by the Observer agreed that ordinary tourism had become a clear flashpoint as the country engages in a brutal war against its neighbour.
“I believe if you leave Russia you have to be actively against the war,” said Ira Lobanovskaya, who started a Relocation Guide from the Russian Federation chat on Telegram to advise people on leaving the country. “You can’t be outside of politics any more: that is barbaric in the current climate. We stress this when helping people relocate ... I understand that the west doesn’t want Russians partying on the streets of Europe.”

But keeping Russians in Russia would be counterproductive, she said. About half of the 40,000-plus people her organisation has advised want to speak out or attend anti-government marches, she added. “They need to unite abroad, form anti-war alliances and speak out. You can’t just topple a nuclear power like Russia right now from the inside. It is just unrealistic.”
However, Ilya Ponomarev, a former Duma deputy who has lived in exile in Ukraine since 2016, is in favour of a ban. He said Russians capable of doing so should stay in Russia to fight the regime,it was not productive for people to simply go to jail, “leaving the country should be the last resort”.
“You cannot abstain from this war,” he said in an interview in Ukraine. “If you want to abstain, don’t complain that you are being kicked out of Europe.” He said he believed 98% of people leaving the country were not in danger but left “just because it’s uncomfortable for them [in Russia]”.
He went on: “I very much agree with the Estonian leader when she said that being in Europe is not a human right; it is a privilege. If you want this privilege, do something in Russia first, earn this privilege, make some bold move, and then leave. And we shouldn’t restrict these kinds of people from leaving.”

Tourists enjoy lunch near the Russian Orthodox cathedral in Tallinn. Estonia is one of the countries calling for them to be banned. Photograph: Kirk Fisher/Alamy
In an online address this weekend Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky reiterated his call to limit Schengen visas for Russians, saying there “should be guarantees that Russian murderers and the accomplices of state terror do not make use of the Schengen visas”.
But he also called for support for Russians “who indeed need help”. “There are well-known legal mechanisms, through refugee status, asylum requests, and other ways to receive support.”

Russian activists say tourist visas are an important tool for many trying to leave Russia, especially when they flee over land borders because flying out of the country is too costly or too dangerous.
“This is a safety mechanism for thousands of Russians who already or may in future suffer from repressions,” said Anton Barbashin of news website Riddle Russia, who is currently in Europe. “A visa ban will limit opportunities critics of the regime have for getting to safety when they need to.”
Countries such as Latvia, Estonia and Finland have seen an influx of both Russian tourists and émigrés since the beginning of the war, and have begun independently tightening immigration rules and enforcing limited visa bans. Other informal proposals aimed at limiting Russian tourism during the war include requiring Russians to sign a statement condemning the invasion when they enter Europe. Former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul suggests that Russian visitors be required to pay a tax of around €100 toward Ukraine’s reconstruction.
“For those countries reluctant to ban all Russians from visiting their countries, the idea of charging an extra fee for the visa that would then go to Ukrainian reconstruction offers an alternative response,” he said. “Doing nothing – just maintaining the status quo – should not be an option.”
He argued that would avoid the blanket restrictions that could punish Russians who have opposed the war and help spark a brain drain in Russia.
“As to the dilemma of Russians being accused of funding the Ukrainian government reconstruction, well that’s their choice, No one is forcing them to travel to democratic Europe! They can vacation in the European country of Belarus instead.”
Wealthy Russians would probably find a way around any ban, said the British passport-holding son of a Russian businessman. He has been in Saint-Tropez this summer and there were “as many Russians as usual”.
“The elite will always find a way to get to Europe,” he said. “Many of my generation went to school here. We have lived long enough in the west to receive residency permits or a second passport. Those who don’t are talking about getting Turkish papers if Europe goes through with this. There will always be loopholes for those with money.”

Защитница "Азовстали" Пташка ярко ответила Фарион на скандал Пташка заявила, что Фарион является врагом Украины, который продвигает ядовитые и отвратительные нарративы, фактически работая на Кремль. Скандал вокруг бывшей депутатки Ирины Фарион не утихает: ее оскорбления и ругань в адрес солдат украинской армии возмутили защитницу "Азовстали" Екатерину Полищук, известную под позывным "Пташка". Девушка заступилась за солдат ВСУ, в резкой форме поставив Фарион на место. Пост она опубликовала на своей странице в соцсети Facebook, не подбирая слов в адрес одиозной экс-депутатки ВР. Пташка заявила, что Фарион является врагом Украины, которая продвигает ядовитые и отвратительные нарративы, фактически работая на Кремль. Защитница "Азовстали" предложила Фарион посетить позиции украинских военных, которые почти 10 лет защищают страну от российской оккупации в окопах, грязи и холоде, и провести на фронте хотя бы сутки, прежде чем называть себя патриотом Украины.




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1) лучше, чем предполагалось в материальной области - да, пока; в области качества жизни(для меня и многих моих друзей, не всех) - хреново; 2) мне видно, только это ухудшения не столько материальные и не только материальные; 3) сами по себе санкции- да, лажа. Гораздо хуже то, что происходит внутри.

Вокруг, на Украине, столько агентов Кремля, что гепонятно, кто ими ещё не является.
Среди вас, клованов, ситуация абсолютно аналогична.

А вы товарищщ капитанский больше подобного строчите в сеть и для вас и членов вашей семьи ЕС закроется пожизненно , они не хотят агрессивных русских поддерживающих убийство украинцев и разрушение Украины

70% населения Юкрейна верят в экономический бум после окончания войны.
После победного окончания надо думать. Дебилизация на марше...
Они заслужили свое ослепительно блестящее будущее. Уже совсем недалекое.

ты дрянь не мяукай вас так "обесточат" что на паперть пойдёте корки подбирать

Дебилизация на марше - верить, что в Украине в союзе с Западом не будет экономического подъема, а в России с Хамасом и Ираном будет.

как известно всем графоманам земли русской, все вывезенное из России птенцами гнезда чубайсокоховским находиться в распоряжении страшных сЫловиков.
Честно графоманское.

Замечательно,Челли!!! Чем больше лохов в это поверят тем легче будет с ними рассчитаться

Лавров разъясняет официальную позицию российских властей. А кремлевская пропаганда на ТВ занята гришь, разъяснением еврейской позиции?
Да уж ПРОПАГАНДА И ДЕЗИНФОРМАЦИЯ, чаго же от евреев еще то ждать? Кремлевская пропаганда это такая пропаганда и дезинформация! И тут явно с этим не поспоришь!

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как же так , капитанский обмишурился

женька твой прапорина про экономический бум бандерии уже 10 лет гутарит.
ну а про экономический колапс рашки уже лет 30. осталось подождать еще лет 50 всего то.
Жаль тока что бандеровцы не живут так долго.

в 90стые непосредственно от шендеровичей!

ибо нечего Старухе прожившей во Франции пол жизни продолжать в ней жить, если она не предана всем сердцем Обкому Единому. Гнать её на фиг половой тряпкой! Чем собсно графоман с прапориной и занялись на досуге.

Но ты ведь самый главный!