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Веселый карандаш сказал(а): ↑

Но по жилым бьют в основном террористы.

ага. атомная бомба попадает всегда в эпицентр.

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Нет. Фашисты, которых поддерживаете именно ВЫ.

а где же Я ОБОЖАЮ ОДЕССУ ?

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ЛІГАБізнесІнформ ‏@LIGAnet 8 ч.
В ООН выявили причастность спецслужб РФ к трагедии в Одессе 2 мая http://news.liga.net/news/politics/2218414-v_oon_vyyavili_prichastnost_spetssluzhb_rf_k_tragedii_v_odesse_2_maya.htm …

http://news.liga.net/news/politics/...spetssluzhb_rf_k_tragedii_v_odesse_2_maya.htm

СБУ заявляет о российском следе в одесской трагедии 2 мая
20.06.2014 12:18

(Исправлено) Трое граждан Российской Федерации участвовали в трагических событиях в Одессе, результатом которых стала гибель 48 человек

Уничтожение палаточного городка антимайдана на Куликовом поле в Одессе 2 мая и пожар в Доме профсоюзов (фото - novayagazeta-ug.ru)

Служба безопасности Украины нашла доказательства того, что в подготовке трагических событий в Одессе 2 мая были задействованы граждане Российской Федерации. Об этом говорится в третьем докладе Миссии ООН по правам человека, обнародованном на сайте организации.

"3 мая СБУ опубликовала имена и паспортные данные троих граждан Российской Федерации, которые участвовали в акте насилия 2 мая в Одессе", - говорится в докладе. При этом Миссия ООН не называет имена этих людей.

В документе также сообщается, что 27 мая Служба безопасности Украины на железнодорожном вокзале в Одессе арестовала восьмерых человек, которые пытались уехать в Москву.

"СБУ объявила, что эти люди планировали пройти военизированное обучение в Москве перед тем, как присоединиться к вооруженным группам на востоке Украины", - сообщили в ООН.

Напомним, 2 мая в Одессе в ходе беспорядков погибли 48 человек, еще 247 пострадали. Столкновения в центре города вспыхнули ближе к вечеру между болельщиками ФК "Черноморец" и "Металлист" с одной стороны, и пророссийскими сторонниками антимайдана - с другой.

У ватников только CNN да ОБСЕ признали обстрел ОГА в Луганске!

А тут вся ООН!

То-то же...

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сначала - ярош мифический. нет никакого яроша. а теперь:

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Мало ли что там говорит некий Ярош..

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тоже в игнор. Извините. Я не могу больше.

Нечего возразить?

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Мальчик - жертва т.н. русской весны, которой вы рукоплескали. Когда поумнеете - поймете.

донкивиляние жопой. русская весна - это ваше - инспирированное западом восстание против текущей власти.

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а где же Я ОБОЖАЮ ОДЕССУ ?

Я обожаю Одессу.

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сначала - ярош мифический. нет никакого яроша. а теперь:

Почему?? У некоторых счастливчиков даже есть его визитка..

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У ватников только CNN да ОБСЕ признали обстрел ОГА в Луганске!

О чем я и говорила.. Ватные ходоки.

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Фрагмент доклада ООН про Одессу:

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/HRMMUReport15June2014.pdf

...

13. With respect to the incidents that took place in Odesa on 2 May, it should be noted that
six official investigations have been established. The main bodies undertaking such
investigations are the Ministry of Interior (MoI) and the State Security Service in
Ukraine (SBU). It is with regret that the HRMMU reports a lack of cooperation from
both governmental bodies, particularly at the central level with the HRMMU, which
has been preventing the HRMMU from conducting a proper assessment of the progress
made. The HRMMU reiterates the need for prompt and thorough investigations into the
violent incidents on 2 May in Odesa. Some key questions must be addressed to ensure
confidence in the investigation and to guarantee accountability, due process and to
enable the communities to accept fully the results of such an investigation. Among
those questions are the conduct of the police on 2 May: why it, and the fire brigade,
either did not react, or were slow to react; what caused the fire in the Trade Union
building; who are the perpetrators of the killings in the afternoon and the fire in the
evening; and what measures are being taken to guarantee justice for the victims, and
due process for the people detained in connection with these events. Furthermore, the
Government must pay particular attention to ensure social media is not used for hate
speech or incitement to hatred.

...

B. Investigations into human rights violations related to 2 May Odesa violence

Summary of events

37. The most serious single incident of significant loss of life in Ukraine since the killings
on Maidan occurred in Odesa on 2 May 2014.(7) The events occurred on the same day
that a football match was due to take place between the Kharkiv football team
"Metallist" and the Odesa football team "Chernomorets". On 1 May, the police
authorities issued an official statement announcing that due to possible disorder
because of the football game, an additional 2,000 police officers would patrol the
streets of Odesa.

38. Early in the morning of 2 May, at least 600 football fans arrived from Kharkiv. Football
fans from both teams are known to have strong "Pro-Unity"(8) sympathies. A pre-match
rally for "United Ukraine" had been planned for 3.00 p.m. on Sobornaya square and
gathered, at least, 2,000 people, including supporters of the two football teams, Right
Sector activists, members of so-called self-defence units, and other "Pro-Unity"
supporters. Right Sector and "self-defence" unit supporters were observed by the
HRMMU wearing helmets and masks, and armed with shields, axes, wooden/metallic
sticks and some with firearms. By 3:00 p.m. the HRMMU had observed 15 police
officers on Sobornaya square and two buses of riot police officers parked nearby.
39. Meanwhile, the HRMMU observed that about 450 metres away from Sobornaya street,
"Pro-Federalism" activists, comprising approximately 300 activists from "Odesskaya
Druzhina" (radical "Pro-Federalism" movement), had also gathered one hour earlier.
They reportedly intended to prevent the "Pro-Unity" rally; and were wearing helmets,
shields, masks, axes, wooden/metal sticks and some of them with firearms.

40. The HRMMU observed an insufficient and inadequate police presence to manage and
ensure security, and crowd control of the "United Ukraine" march towards the football
stadium. The HRMMU noted that additional police officers arrived at the scene, but
were unable to stop the violent confrontation.

41. At 3.15 p.m., the "Pro-Federalism Odesskaya Drujina", "Narodnaya Drujina" and other
activists approached the Sobornaya square and started to provoke the participants of the
"United Ukraine" rally. Clashes arose and quickly turned into mass disorder, which

(7) See also OHCHR report on the human rights situation in Ukraine, 15 May 2014
(http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/HRMMUReport15May2014.pdf)
(8) The terms "Pro-Unity" and "Pro-Federalism" are used in the context as describing the motivations and orientation of the supporters / activists.

lasted for several hours until 6.30 p.m. Police officers and supporters from both sides
were injured during the afternoon. Six men were killed by gunshots fired by activists.

42. The HRMMU observed that following the clashes in the city centre, some "Pro-
Federalism" activists ran from the area chased by "Pro-Unity" supporters.
Approximately 60 "Pro-Federalism" activists took refuge in the "Afina" shopping
centre, which had been closed during the day. The "Afina" shopping centre was then
surrounded by "Pro-Unity" activists. Riot police (Special Forces "SOKOL") arrived on
the scene, and reportedly took away 47 "Pro-Federalism" activists, while letting women
out of the complex. Other "Pro-Federalism" supporters ran from the clashes to the tent
camp at the Kulikovo Pole square, where approximately 200 supporters had gathered
(including all the "Pro-Federalism" leaders) during the afternoon.

43. Some "Pro-Unity" politicians called upon their supporters to march towards the
Kulikovo Pole square. At 7.00 p.m., the "Pro-Unity" supporters marched in that
direction, accompanied behind them by approximately 60 riot police.

44. The "Pro-Federalism" leaders were informed that "Pro-Unity" supporters were heading
towards the tent camp, and between 6.00 6.30 p.m., they decided to take refuge in the
nearby Trade Union Building.

45. At 7.30 p.m., when the "Pro-Unity" supporters reached Kulikovo Pole square, they
burned all the "Pro-Federalism" tents. The "Pro-Federalism" activists, who had hidden
in the Trade Union Building, and the "Pro-Unity" activists, then reportedly started
throwing Molotov cocktails at each other. Gunshots could reportedly be heard coming
from both sides. At around 8.00 p.m., the "Pro-Unity" activists entered the Trade Union
Building where the "Pro-Federalism" supporters had sought refuge.

46. During the evening a fire broke out in the Trade Union Building. At 7.43 p.m., the
HRMMU called the fire brigade, which has its base located 650 metres from the Trade
Union Building. Reportedly, the fire brigade only arrived 40 minutes after receiving the
first phone call about the fire. According to fire brigade officials, this was due to the
fact that the police did not create a safe and secure perimeter allowing the fire brigade
to easily access the Trade Union Building. The cause of the fire remains unclear at this
stage.

47. As a result of the fire, officially 42 people died: 32 (including 6 females) were trapped
and unable to leave the building and 10 (including one female and one minor) died
jumping from windows.

48. The HRMMU has received information from credible resources that some "Pro-Unity"
protesters were beating up "Pro-Federalism" supporters as they were trying to escape
the Trade Union Building, while others were trying to help them.

49. 247 other people were brought from the scene requiring medical assistance: 27 people
with gunshot wounds, 31 with stab wounds, 26 with burns and intoxication caused by
combustible products and 163 with injuries by blunt objects. Of these, 99 people were
hospitalised, including 22 policemen, with 35 in serious condition. According to
various sources, all those who died were Ukrainian citizens. There are no more official
reports of people missing in relation to 2 May events. Seven of those injured remain in
hospital. The HRMMU received allegations that many who were treated in hospitals
did not give their real names and addresses. Moreover, some people who were heavily
injured from the violence did not go to hospital for fear of retaliation.

50. During the evening, it was reported to the HRMMU that a bare minimum police force
was present at the Kulikovo Pole square. Even when the special riot police force
arrived at the scene, the officers did not intervene in the violence that took place on the
Kulikovo Pole square. The HRMMU was told by high ranking police officers that the
reason for this is that they did not receive any formal order to intervene.
Detentions

51. The HRMMU has noted slight discrepancies regarding the number of people
arrested/detained/transferred during, and in the aftermath of, the 2 May violence. The
Regional Prosecution Office and the Regional Ministry of Interior present different
figures relating to these events. For example, figures for those arrested in the centre of
town vary from 42 to 47 people, and figures for those arrested at the Trade Union
Building from 63 to 67 people.

52. Criminal investigations have been launched under the following articles of the Criminal
Code of Ukraine: Article 115/1 (Intentional homicide); Article 194/2 (Intentional
destruction or damage of property); Article 294/2 (Mass riots/unrest); Article 296
(Hooliganism); Article 341/2 (Capturing of the state or public buildings or
constructions); Article 345 (Threat or violence against a law enforcement officer),
Article 365 (Excess of authority or official powers) and Article 367 (Neglect of official
duty).

53. The 47 "Pro-Federalism" activists who took refuge in the "Afina" shopping centre were
taken away (for so-called protection reasons) by Police Special Forces "SOKOL" and
transferred to two police stations outside Odesa (Ovidiopol and Bilhorod-Dnistrovkyi)
where they were detained for two days.

54. During this 48 hour period in police custody, detainees were not given food or water on
a regular basis, nor were they provided a one-hour walk per day, as per internal MoI
regulations(9).

55. On 4 May, all 47 detainees were transferred to Vinnitsa (424 km from Odesa).
According to information provided to the HRMMU by credible sources, during the
transfer, which lasted for 12 hours, they received neither food nor water, nor were they
allowed to use toilet facilities (they had to urinate in the detainees van). According to
Ukrainian internal regulations, detainees during transfer should receive food and water.

56. On 6 May, video court hearings of the "Pro-Federalism" activists were organised with
the Primorsky District Court of Odesa. All were charged with Article 294 (Mass riots)
and/or Article 115 (Intentional homicide) of the Criminal Code; and during the
following days some were given additional criminal charges of either: Article 194/2
(Intentional destruction or damage of property); Article 296 (Hooliganism); Article
341/2 (Capturing of the state or public buildings or constructions); or Article 345
(Threat or violence against a law enforcement officer). According to the court
decisions of the 47 arrested, 14 were placed in the Vinnitsa pre-trial detention centre.
Four of these, after appealing the court decision, were placed under house arrest and
have since reportedly returned to Odesa. 33 of the 47 individuals originally arrested
were placed under house arrest as of 10 June 2014. Late in the evening of 2 May, 67
people were arrested at the Trade Union Building and transferred to the Odesa City
Police Station, where they were detained for two days. On 2 and 3 May, all were

(9) Ministry of Interior regulation Number 60 dated 20/01/2001: warm food three times per day, and one hourwalk per day.

charged with either Articles 115 (Intentional homicide) or Article 294 (Mass riots) of
the Criminal Code. On 4 May at 5.00 p.m., the Odesa City Police Station was stormed
by relatives and friends of the "Pro-Federalism" movement. Under unclear
circumstances all of the 67 detainees were "released" by the police.

57. In addition to those arrested on 2 May, the MoI arrested at least four other people. On 6
May, one of the leaders of the "Pro-Federalism" movement was arrested and charged
under Article 294 of the Criminal Code. He is currently detained in a pre-trial detention
centre. On 18 May, a "Pro-Unity" activist was arrested, accused of firing at, and
injuring several people in the city centre on 2 May, including police officers, "Pro-
Federalism" activists and journalists. He was first transferred to the Investigation
Department of Odesa Regional Police Office, before being transferred to Kyiv. He is
accused under Article 115 (Murder) and Article 294-2 (Mass riots) of the Criminal
Code and on 21 May, he was placed under house arrest in Odesa by the Kyiv Pechersky
District Court.

58. Of the arrests conducted between 2 May and 3 June, in connection with the
investigations into the 2 May violence, 13 persons remain in pre-trial detention centres
under the Penitentiary Services (either in Vinnitsa, Odesa or Kyiv) charged with one or
more of the following six articles of the Criminal Code: Article 115/1 (Intentional
homicide); Article 194/2 (Intentional destruction or damage of property); Article 294/2
(Mass riots/unrest); Article 296 (Hooliganism); Article 341/2 (Capturing of the state or
public buildings or constructions); and Article 345 (Threat or violence against law
enforcement officer).

59. In addition, reportedly 40 people were placed under house arrest in Odesa charged with
the following articles of the Criminal Code: Article 115/1 (Intentional homicide);
Article 194/2 (Intentional destruction or damage of property; Article 294/2 (Mass
riots/unrest); Article 296 (Hooliganism); Article 341/2 (Capturing of the state or public
buildings or constructions); and Article 345 (Threat or violence against law
enforcement officer).

60. Two cases concerning "Pro-Unity" activists suspected of shooting and killing persons
during the 2 May violence, were heard by the Pechersky District Court of Kyiv,
following the arrest of two suspects on 18 and 26 May. Both were given house arrest;
both are charged under Article 294 (Mass riots), and one has been additionally charged
under Article 115 (Murder) of the Criminal Code.
Due process rights during, and after, the 2 May violence

61. The HRMMU visited detainees held in the pre-trial detention centre in Odesa. The
Penitentiary Services administration fully cooperated with the HRMMU and granted
access to several detainees (including one female) with whom private interviews were
carried out. The detainees did not complain about their conditions of detention or
physical treatment in the pre-trial detention centre in Odesa. They confirmed they were
able to meet privately with their lawyers.

62. The HRMMU also met with lawyers, victims, witnesses, detainees and relatives with
regard to the 2 May violence. It also held numerous meetings with the
Ombudsperson's team, as well as representatives of law enforcement agencies, mass
media, local politicians and officials, activists and local officials. Through its
monitoring, the HRMMU has identified various human rights concerns with regard to
the on-going criminal investigations, which include some of the following.
Timely notification of reasons for arrest and charges within short period of time

63. On 15 May, the SBU apprehended five additional people. Although this took place at
9.00 a.m., the official arrest time has been recorded as 11.50 p.m. over 12 hours later.
According to Article 208/4 of the Criminal Procedure Code `a competent official who
apprehended the person, shall be required to immediately inform the apprehended
person, in a language known to him, of the grounds for the apprehension and of the
commission of what crime he is suspected'. Furthermore, the procedure applied for the
arrest was not in line with Articles 9.2 and 9.3 of the International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights (ICCPR).

64. Similarly eight people apprehended by the SBU on 27 May at the Odesa railway station
did not receive prompt notification of the reasons for their arrest.
Right to a fair trial

65. Law enforcement agencies resorted to an illegal practice in order to prevent prompt
access to legal counsel. Indeed, during criminal interrogation procedures, police and
SBU officers summoned individuals as "witness" and later then substituted their status
as "suspect" and/or substituted their interrogation by interviewing. This resulted in
violating the persons' right to see and consult a legal counsel (as provided for in Article
208/4 of the Criminal Procedural Code) and gave an opportunity to "delay" the official
time of apprehension.

66. For instance, the eight people who were arrested by the SBU at the Odesa railway
station were transferred to the SBU for an alleged "interview". They were not informed
about their rights with regard to apprehension, nor were they provided with legal
counsel, nor could they contact their lawyers before and during interrogation.

67. The HRMMU observed, based on interviews with detainees and their relatives, that the
governmental Free Legal Aid scheme (established in connection with the new Criminal
Procedural Code of November 2012) encountered gaps in its system. For the legal
defence of detainees arrested during and after 2 May violence, the Free Legal Aid
system could not provide enough lawyers.

68. As of 4 June, the legal status of the 67 "detainees" released on 4 May from Odesa city
Police Station remained unclear. Due to procedural gaps following their alleged illegal
release (i.e. without a court decision), they remain suspects. The measure of restraint
was not applied to them as required in accordance with the Criminal Procedural Code.
Right to medical care

69. In Ovidiopol and Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi Police Stations medical care was not provided
to those among the 47 detainees who required such assistance due to illness. The
relatives of detainees placed in custody in the Vinnitsa pre-trial detention centre also
reported about the lack of medical care provided to their kin.
Personal data

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Почему вы шиворот-навыворот выворачиваете?

Потому что у бабочек мозгов ровно на хлоп-хлоп..

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70. Concerns have been raised with the HRMMU that on 19 May, the presumption of
innocence may have been violated during an official press conference of the MoI, by
the Deputy Minister of Interior/Head of Main Investigation Unit by disclosing personal
data of 12 detainees. The HRMMU reminds the authorities of the importance of
respecting international standards concerning the presumption of innocence and the
prohibition of arbitrary interference with one's privacy or attacks upon his/her honour
and reputation.

71. Also on 3 May, the SBU published the names and passports of three citizens from the
Russian Federation allegedly involved in the 2 May violence.
Legality of arrest

72. On 15 May, the SBU conducted an illegal search of an apartment from 8.00 p.m. to
3.00 a.m., without a search warrant and without preparing a report/protocol on the
search. During the search, they broke the door, forced the family, including a girl to lie
down on the floor. A woman (wife/mother) was subsequently arrested and taken to the
SBU Office. The next day she was transferred to the Odesa Police Station. On 17 May,
the Primorsky District Court placed her in custody under Articles 294 (Mass riots) and
110 (Trespass against territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine) of the Criminal
Code. She is currently detained in Odesa pre-trial detention centre.
Accountability: Update on investigations into the Odesa incidents

73. Six official investigations have been initiated to look into the incidents of 2 May in
Odesa and are ongoing: 1) a criminal investigation by the MoI; 2) an investigation of
the General Prosecution Investigation Unit into police conduct; 3) a criminal
investigation by the SBU into alleged state level crimes (including actions aimed at
forceful change or overthrow of the constitutional order); 4) an investigation by the
Ombudsperson; 5) an investigation by the Parliamentary Commission; and 6) an
investigation by a commission comprising civil society representatives under the
auspices of the Governor. During his visit in May, ASG Simonovi met with
interlocutors involved in these various investigations.

74. These parallel investigations by different bodies present a high risk of
miscommunication between the various law enforcement agencies' commissions,
which may impact the integrity of the criminal investigations. Furthermore, there
appear to be widespread concerns among citizens regarding the ability of local law
enforcement agencies to conduct independent and thorough investigations due to the
politicisation of the 2 May events. The day after the violence, the former acting
President dismissed several local high-ranking officials on the grounds of Article 365
(Excess of authority or official powers) and Article 367 (Neglect of official duty) of the
Criminal Code). An interim government and new officials were appointed at the local
level: the Governor of Odesa, the Head of the Regional MoI, the Head of the Odesa
City Police, and the Head of the Regional Prosecution Office.
Governmental Commission on the issues of numerous deaths of people during
"Pro-Ukrainian" protests and fire in the Trade Union Building in Odesa City

75. During the late evening of 2 May, Vice-Prime Minister Vitalii Yarema was appointed
Head of the Governmental Commission on the issues of numerous deaths of people
during "Pro-Ukrainian" protests and the fire in the Trade Union Building in Odesa City,
which is responsible for overseeing the investigation carried out by the law
enforcement agencies at the Odesa regional and city level. The HRMMU has officially
requested to meet with this Commission, but had not received a response as of 7 June
2014.
Criminal investigation by the Ministry of Interior Investigation Unit

76. On 2 May, a criminal investigation was launched by the Odesa Regional Police
Investigation Department. On 6 May, the responsibility for the investigation was
transferred to the Main Investigation Department of the MoI in Kyiv (under the lead of
Deputy Minister of Interior). According to the law, the investigation process should be
completed in 60 days. Investigators from Kyiv, Odesa and other regions are
cooperating on this investigation, which has been launched under the following articles
of the Criminal Code of Ukraine: Article 115/1 (Intentional homicide); Article 194/2
(Intentional destruction or damage of property; Article 294/2 (Mass riots/unrest);
Article 296 (Hooliganism); Article 341/2 (Capturing of the state or public buildings or
constructions); and Article 345 (Threat or violence against law enforcement officer).
General Prosecution Investigation Unit regarding police duty performance

77. On 3 May, the Odesa Regional Prosecutor Office launched a criminal case against four
police officials under Article 365 (Excess of authority or official powers) and Article
367 (Neglect of official duty) of the Criminal code. On 6 May, this investigation was
transferred to the Investigation Unit of the General Prosecutor.

78. According to information provided to the HRMMU by credible sources, the regional
MoI did not enforce the special police tactical plan called "Wave" ("Khvylia"), which
would have allowed the use of special police means and forces, and ensured
coordination of all official emergency units (e.g. health, and the department of
emergency situations).

79. Furthermore, there are credible reports that during the 2 May violence, all high ranking
officials from the Regional MoI and Regional Prosecutor's Office were holding a
meeting and were unavailable.

80. Since then, several criminal proceedings have been initiated against high-ranking police
officials and policemen. The Deputy Head of the Regional MoI was placed under house
arrest in relation with the 2 May violence and the "release" of the 67 detainees held in
the Odesa Police Station on 4 May. His current whereabouts remain unknown but he is
thought to be outside Ukraine. On 8 May, the Head of the Odesa City Police, the Head
of the Odesa Police Detention Centre and the duty officer were apprehended and
transferred to Kyiv. On 9 May, the Head of the Odesa City Police was released on bail.
Both The Head of the Odesa Police Detention Centre and the duty officer were also
released under obligations to make a personal commitment not to leave Ukraine.
Criminal investigation under the State Security Service of Ukraine (SBU)

81. In mid-March, the SBU initiated a criminal investigation throughout the country under
Articles 109 (Actions aimed at forceful change or overthrow of the constitutional order
or take-over of government) and 110 (Trespass against territorial integrity and
inviolability of Ukraine) of the Criminal Code in relation to threats to national security
and national integrity. As of 15 May, the SBU arrested several people in Odesa region.
According to the HRMMU informal sources, 18 people were placed under investigation
by the SBU and detained in the Odesa pre-trial detention centre between 2 May and 3
June.

82. On 15 May, the SBU arrested five people (four male and one female) who were
allegedly leaving the Odesa region to join armed groups in eastern Ukraine. The
woman was placed under house arrest. Later that day another female "Pro-Federalism"
supporter, allegedly the organiser of the expedition, was arrested and placed in pre-trial
detention in Odesa. One more person was arrested the following day in connection with
the same case. As of 7 June, the HRMMU had no information on his whereabouts.

83. On 27 May, eight men were arrested at the Odesa railway station from a train about to
depart for Moscow. The SBU stated that these people were planning to attend a
"paramilitary training" in Moscow before joining the armed groups in eastern Ukraine.
On 29 May, the Primorsky District Court charged all of them under Articles 109
(Actions aimed at forceful change or overthrow of the constitutional order or take-over
of government) and 110 (Trespass against territorial integrity and inviolability of
Ukraine) of the Criminal Code. They have been placed in custody in the pre-trial
detention centre in Odesa. One more person was arrested the following day in
connection with the same case. As of 7 June, the HRMMU had no updated information
on his whereabouts.

84. On 28 May, three men, members of the NGO "Orthodox Cossacks", were arrested in
Odesa and on 31 May, they were charged by the Primorsky District Court under
Articles 109 and 110 of the Criminal Code, and placed in custody at the pre-trial
detention centre in Odesa.
Parliamentary Interim Commission of inquiry into the investigation of the death of
citizens in the cities of Odesa, Mariupol and other cities of the Donetsk and Luhansk
regions of Ukraine.

85. On 13 May, the Parliament adopted decision 4852 establishing an" Interim Inquiry
Parliamentary Commission on the investigation of the death of citizens in the cities of
Odesa, Mariupol and other cities of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine",
further to a proposal by parliamentarians representing the Odesa region. The mandate
of this Commission expires on 15 June, by which date it is to submit its report to
Parliament.

86. The Commission informed the HRMMU that it had already gathered a lot of
information on the violence of 2 May in Odesa, which should be properly analysed and
processed. According to the Head of the Parliamentary Commission, its members met
with officials from Odesa, including the regional SBU divisions, MoI, Prosecutor's
Office, independent experts, NGOs and suspects under house arrest. He believes many
people are still frightened by the events with some afraid to share important
information. Moreover, he highlighted that the situation in Odesa is not stable yet, and
it is important to optimise the activities of law enforcement bodies in the investigation.
According to him, the criminal investigation by the MoI had only conducted
approximately 7% of the necessary work. The perpetrators of the Odesa events have
still not been identified, with some suspects detained for a few days and then released
by courts. From information gathered by the Commission, there is much questioning
within local communities as to why this happened. There is also a fear that the local
population will use reprisals against suspected persons for the restoration of justice.
Thus, according to the Head of the Commission, the Special Interim Parliamentary
Commission has intensified its contacts with the local community representatives.
Investigation by the Ombudsperson's Office

87. The Ombudsperson's Office initiated an evaluation on human rights violations by law
enforcement agencies during the 2 May violence in Odesa. The Ombudsperson and her
team visited Odesa on several occasions and were provided with official documents
from all law enforcement agencies.(10)

(10) The Ombudsperson submitted a report of her findings to the Prosecutor General on 10 June 2014. It is not a public document.

Commission investigating the 2 May violence

88. A commission was established under the auspices of the Head of the Odesa Regional
State Administration (Governor). This commission, which includes civil society
activists, journalists and experts, is conducting its own investigation and intends to play
a public oversight role concerning the official investigation.

89. The commission members are undertaking their work through open sources, without
interfering with the official investigation. It is foreseen that their conclusions will be
published only if all members agree on its content. A first official briefing took place
on 30 May.
Specialised Headquarters providing assistance in the aftermath of 2 May

90. In the aftermath of the 2 May events, the former acting Mayor of Odesa established an
emergency headquarters (HQ) encompassing various departments of the City Council
Executive Committee. It provided assistance to victims and their relatives, such
healthcare, information, social services. It also ran an emergency hotline in the
aftermath of 2 May incidents. The HRMMU has been in daily contact with the staff on
follow-up required, and to enquire about the situation of the victims, particularly
medical care and the list of those declared missing. As of 7 June, the Social Welfare
Department remained the only operational part of this emergency HQ.

91. After the 2 May violence the HRMMU has been monitoring the criminal proceedings
launched by the Office of the General Prosecutor, the MoI and the SBU.

92. As the investigations continue, some key questions must be addressed to ensure
confidence in the investigation and to guarantee accountability, due process and to
enable the communities to fully accept the results of such an investigation. Issues to be
clarified include:

a. the identification of the perpetrators who were shooting at protesters during
the afternoon;
b. the conduct of the police on 2 May - why the police and the fire brigade either
did not react, or were slow to react and who ordered what action;
c. what happened in the Trade Union Building and what caused the fire there;
d. what was the cause of the deaths in the Trade Union Building;
e. the identification of the perpetrators of the incidents and violence surrounding
the fire in the Trade Union Building;
f. the need to guarantee justice for the victims and due process for the detainees.

92. The HRMMU regretfully reports the lack of cooperation from the MoI and the SBU at
the central level.

93. The HRMMU reiterates the need for prompt, thorough and impartial investigations into
the events so as to ensure accountability of all those concerned and to provide redress
and reparations for victims and their families. This process is critical to restore people's
confidence in the authorities.

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Vladimir сказал(а): ↑

Не дождётесь. НЕ будет у нас больше войны с белыми патриотами. Разве что со власовцами и красновцами вроде вас.

Власовцы и красновцы как раз и были белыми патриотами.

Novice, 20.06.2014

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Еще раз. Если к вам ломится грабитель, а вы не позвонили в полицию, то вины полицейских в том, что они грабителя не задержали и не наказали - нет. Это не значит, что они преступника покрывают - они просто не знают о преступлении. Они не телепаты и не могут догадаться, что вас ограбили, если вы об этом не сообщите. Если вы вместо этого пошли к нему домой и ограбили его, и вас за это замели, то за грабеж вас арестуют и посадят, даже если вы объясните, что вы не стукач и не вор, а благородный мститель

вам бы стоило извиниться. вам пожаловался грабитель и вы с удовольствием ему помогли. я не полез в дом грабителю . я послал его вон. он пожаловался. вы с удовольствием удовлетворили жалобу социально близкого грабителя. даже теперь когда вы наконец вчитались фразу которую приписав мне сочли оскорбительной вы не сочли возможным обратить свое приниципиальное внимание на автора оскорбительного текста. думаю инцендент исчерпан.

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Аркадий Бабченко
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20 июня 2014, 10:58

Основной вид военной поддержки, которую Россия оказывает Донецку и Луганску - это геббельсовщина.
Если бы Россия не импортировала на Украину такие потоки вранья и ненависти, никакой войны на Востоке не началось бы вообще.
Боевики и оружие - это, конечно, очень важная статья импорта, но все же - вторичная.
А основопологающая - геббельсовщина.
Стрелков с Бесом могли возникнуть и начать захватывать администрации только потому, что была накачка телевидения про "Правый сектор", который теперь - после Майдана - уже точно придет и перережет всех русских. Без этого никакие зеленые человечки были бы невозможны.
Если бы не эта накачка - стали бы сами дончане это делать? Стали бы они сами создавать диверсионные группы, захватывать с автоматами в руках администрации, громить милицейские и военные части, захватывать там оружие и идти с ним в руках штурмовать погранзаставы и аэропорты?
По, моему, ответ очевиден - нет.
Аэропорт и погранзаставы даже не укладываются в эту логику - логику защиты от "правого сектора". Это совершенно привностное. Это абсолютно очевидно.
Да, неприятие и страх перед западом на востоке действительно были. И довольно сильные. Но орать с флагами "Россия, Россия" - это одно. А взять в руки гранатомет и пойти жечь БТРы и погибать самому - это совсем другое.
Эта война развязана только и исключительно российской геббельсовщиной. Больше ничем.
И если бы была возможность перекрыть её поступление, война иссякла бы сама собой.
Собственно, там, где экспорт этой геббельсовщины удалось не допустить - война и не началась.
Днепропетровск - самый русскоязычный город на Украине. Украинской мовою там вообще почти не размовляют. За день пару раз услышишь - уже хорошо. Это абсолютно русский регион. И уж как там орали про проклятых бандеровцев. Как там избивали активистов. Как там разгоняли майдановцев.
А что сейчас?
А сейчас вы не найдете на Украине более патриотичного региона, чем Днепр. Флаг Украины там на каждой второй машине.
Почему? А потому что экспорт российской пропаганды и двиерсионных групп туда не допустили.
В Изюм в конце апреля страшно заехать было. Он был на очереди. Там все были за Россию и за Стрелкова. Я там пробыл два часа, и понял, что надо сваливать. А в конце мая, всего через месяц - абсолютно другой город. Абсолютно! Ночью ходил совершенно спокойно. А это сорок километров от Славянска всего.
Барвенково - то же самое. А это всего двадцать километров от Славянска. Крестище - то же самое. А это на границе со Славянском уже.
И так везде.
Куда Россия не дошла - там теперь все в порядке.
А дерьмо началось и поддерживается - ПОДДЕРЖИВАЕТСЯ ИСКУССТВЕННО! - только там, куда Россия пришла.
Вот и все.

http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/ababchenko/1344124-echo/

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Шам.АН сказал(а): ↑

Это еще что?

Эмоциональной окраски уже нет, притупилась и нес1те вздор.

A.Belvedersky, 20.06.2014

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Владимир_СА сказал(а): ↑

Сан Франциско отошел от Мексики в 1846 году.

Разговор ведется о том, что "качество жизни" в Мексике выше чем в России, несмотря на то, что ВВП на душу почти в два раза ниже... Какого хера тут Сан-Франциско? Что вы в него вцепились?

Шам.АН, 20.06.2014

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Веселый карандаш сказал(а): ↑

Мое мнение, - проведут нормальный референдум, с агитацией, контрагитацией, без всякого принуждения, с наблюдателями.

Ещё один патриот.

Мировое сообщество может века не соглашаться официально с присоединением Крыма. И это выгодно всем врагам Москвы.

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Jun. 20th, 2014 at 1:17 PM

По нацсоставу ополченцев. Был в трёх подразделениях (два в Луганске и одно в Славянске). Нигде добровольцы из России не превышают 5%. Подавляющее большинство - местные, донецкие и луганские ребята. Оставшиеся процентов 10% - с других территорий бывшей Украины. Причём, что любопытно - с Центральной как бы даже не больше, чем с Юга. Кировоград, Полтава, Чернигов, Житомир. Даже с Киева были двое.

По мифическим "чеченцам". Чеченцев видел. В единственном экземпляре. Пожилой мужик, уже лет 20 живущий в Москве. Приехал сам.

Вчера вечером был в Северске. Вся самооборона там - из местных, многие говорят на таком ядрёном суржике, что даже со знанием украинского не всегда с первого раза поймёшь ))) Но все с триколорами на форме, назвать кого-то украинцем там - это как назвать пидорасом, за такое могут и в лоб шмальнуть по нынешним временам. Киев и всё, что западнее - ненавидят. Мужики окапывались, жёны харч тащили, пацаны тут же бегали с горящими глазами. Все говорят одно - "даже если укры возьмут город - будем вести партизанскую войну". Так что на будут эти земли Украиной уже никогда.
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A.Belvedersky сказал(а): ↑

Эмоциональной окраски уже нет, притупилась и нес1те вздор.

Гм... как -то не улавливаю связь между отсутствием эмоциональной окраски и наличием содержания? Что, при наличии окраски вздор начинает наполняться смыслом?

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